Tuesday, June 20, 2006

Stainless stealing

Professor Sally Brown of Leeds Metropolitan University suggests that kids today plagiarise because they don't know any better. "They are post-modern, eclectic, Google-generationists, Wikipediasts, who don't necessarily recognise the concepts of authorships/ownerships," she argues.

So, next time you're busted for shoplifting in Tesco, blame Baudrillard.

35 comments:

Joel said...

Did she just say Wikipederasts?
And hasn't Professor Graham Potter already said this?
(Boom, and boom.)

Richard Lloyd Parry said...

I've always thought that "appropriating" has a much lovelier sound to it than "stealing". A few months ago I met a lecturer from Oxford who said thata significant amount of his time is now spent Googling gobbets of his students' essays to check that they haven't been lifted from the web.

Personally, I only ever plagiarise myself.

Wyndham said...

Apparentyl, Professor Sally Brown of Leeds Metropolitan University suggests that kids today plagiarise because they don't know any better. "They are post-modern, eclectic, Google-generationists, Wikipediasts, who don't necessarily recognise the concepts of authorships/ownerships," she argues.

So, next time you're busted for shoplifting in Tesco, blame Baudrillard.

Billy said...

Wikipederasts?

I don't even want to think about what one of those is.

patroclus said...

Hahahaa, Wyndham!

Robert A. Swipe said...

"Learn to love me.....

Assemble the ways......"

Robert A. Swipe said...

@ Richard Lloyd Parry:

Didn't you play Trigger in Only Fools & Horses?

Honoured to meet you sir....

Tim Footman said...

Joel, Billy: Yes, I thought she might be able to coin something a little less inappropriate.

Richard: I find I have to do that to journalists as well. Sad. And sorry about Bob Swipe. He's got a distressing personal condition we don't like to talk about. Swabs are involved, I believe.

Wyndham: I rather asked for that, didn't I?

Richard Lloyd Parry said...

The Lloyd Pack/Lloyd Parry confusion has quite a history. The stories I could tell you about Roger and me! There's also a Rupert Lloyd Parry, no relation, who was key grip on Gladiator and Pride & Prejudice. We have been confused in the past. Apparently, he is a great lover of women.

Robert A. Swipe said...

But does he look like a horse??

(Sorry Tim - didn't realise I was upsetting all the clever, sensible types who post comments here. I'll get my coat....)

Tim Footman said...

Roger Lloyd Pack.

Richard Lloyd Parry.

Chris Evert Lloyd.

OK? And Bob, you don't upset anyone, even when you say "cunt" lots.

Richard Lloyd Parry said...

Don't forget:

http://www.tradmusic.com/artistimages/C/lloydcole.jpg

ghoghghoti said...

Plagiarism is a topic that has been playing on my mind over the last few days. I have never knowingly plagiarised anyone else, I'm far too interested my own opinion for any of that. But I was just wondering, is it was ever justified to plagiarise yourself in an academic context? Any thoughts or facts would be welcomed.

Eight flights of stairs to my basement flat always confuses me. But my skin ain't so perfect and there ain't no moral in that!

patroclus said...

...She's got cheekbones like geometry and eyes like sin, and she's sexually enlightened by Cosmopolitan...

...of course no woman has actually ever been 'enlightened' by Cosmopolitan. Mainly we're oppressed and manipulated into believing that thinness, beauty, orgasms, marriage and eventually (but not yet) kids are the only things that women should aspire to.

I think it was more likely to be Lloyd (not you, Richard) himself that was 'sexually enlightened' by Cosmo, rather than the bird with the perfect skin. She'd read Simone de Beauvoir, after all. He was probably sneakily skimming though it while she was reading Le Deuxième Sexe.

patroclus said...

OK, so I got two songs mixed up. I bet he still did, though.

Wyndham said...

I once had the pleasure of meeting Lloyd Cole once. very nice chap, dresses like an American academic these days which is, I imagine, what he always thought he was.

One of the other Lloyds is a neighbour of mine.

tom l said...

kids today, cluck cluck cluck ... not like the good old days cluck cluck cluck ... why when i was a lad cluck cluck cluck ... hey, i thought "eclectic" was a good thing! better than dyspeptic, at least.

patroclus said...

Right on. Pop music had proper intelligent lyrics in those days. Take note, Sandi Thom.

Oo, actually, she should have had that as a line in her song. 'When pop songs had proper intelligent lyrics and that'. That would have been great.

ghoghghoti said...

That's so true, Pat... The words to that song have got me so perplexed it's making me question my reading of and compatability with modern culture. Hell, it makes me question my very owm memory. Punks/flowers? No, think I was away that day.

patroclus said...

Well now I believe Ms Thom is conflating two kinds of revolution based on hazy (or lazy) knowledge of things that happened before she was born, in order to create an eclectic, Wikipediast image of a 'revolutionary'. She might as well have added '...with flowers in my hair, a Bolshevik party membership card, some knitting and a copy of the Gutenberg Bible'.

She should have, actually. Far too few manufactured pop songs reference the Gutenberg Bible.

Tim Footman said...

But if any have, I bet Lloyd Cole wrote one of them.

patroclus said...

Sorry Tim, I seem to have hi-jacked your comments thread rather. I wonder if there are unwritten rules about how often someone should comment, hmm.

Tim Footman said...

No problem, patroclus. Your literate indiepop-themed musings lighten and enlighten my blog like a big literate lighty thing.

Although, if you really want, you can codify self-restraint in comments as part of the mythical Nordic Bar Manifesto.

Oh, and the nice people at Chatsworth wrote back abd said they're going to change the Julius Caesar caption. Hooray!

And the WV is "fyusk". A biscuit for Norwegian toddlers, perhaps?

Robert A. Swipe said...

Lloyd Cole & the Commotions?

Lloyd Cole & the Cunts more like....

Richard Lloyd Parry said...

Strikes me the moral of this blog must be there never has been one.

treespotter said...

you might find this article interesting.

Tim Footman said...

RLP: Morals? In a post-modern universe? Pah.

Tree: Sad, sad, sad. But it's nice to note that some American teenagers can still just about read.

Richard Lloyd Parry said...

I agree. I was playfully (mis)quoting Lloyd Cole (Perfect Skin).

Tim Footman said...

Oh bugger, you were, weren't you, Richard? Sorry, my head's still in Pink Floyd and Stoppard.

Ceridwen Devi said...

Apparentyl, Professor Sally Brown of Leeds Metropolitan University suggests that kids today plagiarise because they don't know any better. "They are post-modern, eclectic, Google-generationists, Wikipediasts, who don't necessarily recognise the concepts of authorships/ownerships," she argues.

So, next time you're busted for shoplifting in Sainsbury's, blame Baudrillard. Does it also apply to Asda?

patroclus said...

Asda's more Juergen Habermas.

Tim Footman said...

Actually, the Frankfurt School passed a resolution in 1962 declaring that its members would only shop at Waitrose, because the taramasalata's so good there. Rumour has it that Adorno nipped into Sainsbury's on the sly, because he had a loyalty card, and he fancied one of the fresh produce assistants.

Is this the right place to do the one about why Marxists only drink camomile tea?

patroclus said...

Can't...remember...punchline...argh.

Tim Footman said...

BECAUSE ALL PROPER TEA IS THEFT!!!!!

b'dum tissshhhhh....

patroclus said...

Doh!