tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18775356.post7605404869818482620..comments2024-03-14T13:06:38.883+00:00Comments on cultural snow: The barbarianTim Fhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14681067872556519250noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18775356.post-28828446967301484642011-08-17T07:16:06.202+01:002011-08-17T07:16:06.202+01:00I've seen it argued, Vicus, that the reason wh...I've seen it argued, Vicus, that the reason white working-class youths have "become black" is because their own culture has been so reviled by the bien-pensant liberal left (as if they give a toss what Guardian readers think). Now that their adoptive culture is being torn to pieces by the right, I wonder where they'll go next? Maybe they'll all become Vicus...<br /><br />Good point, Richard: it's the inability to snap out of such personas that makes it worrying; whether that persona is a Jamaican gangster, a Bullingdon toff or, as you say, a cowboy/Indian.<br /><br />And wasn't Grandmaster Flash from Barbados, Geoff? The real godfathers of rap are Prince Buster and Jimmy Savile, but don't say that too loud in the Bronx.Tim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14681067872556519250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18775356.post-42933656298043530722011-08-15T19:04:05.551+01:002011-08-15T19:04:05.551+01:00Starkey knows his hip hop roots. DJ Kool Herc was ...Starkey knows his hip hop roots. DJ Kool Herc was from Jamaica. And the kids all idolise him.Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340519450159428760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18775356.post-19254231085297024792011-08-15T14:30:49.299+01:002011-08-15T14:30:49.299+01:00I think Starkey got caught up in his moment and qu...I think Starkey got caught up in his moment and quoting Enoch was plain daft. I will say what he meant to say: I get pissed off by hearing white kids affecting a cod Jamaican accent in the mistaken belief that by attempting what is no more than a modern day minstrel show they are imbued with some kind of mystical tough coolness. Whenever I venture back to London now it is embarrassing to hear and without in any way trying to be patronising, it must be hugely annoying for black communities to be associated in such a free-form manner with random and threatening violence. This isn't quite the same as Hollywood using English accents to signify crafty villainy, this is in the same manner as every East-Ender being portrayed as a mate of Ronnie and Reggie and living off the spoils of his nefarious activities at the docks. We used to pretend to be cowboys and indians but the accents stopped when we walked out of the school gates.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01313387849115278988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18775356.post-18989151966721426502011-08-15T12:08:35.908+01:002011-08-15T12:08:35.908+01:00Thank you. I think I am in love. I have no idea wh...Thank you. I think I am in love. I have no idea what my culture is. I do not subscribe to any of the widely held stereotypes about what it means to be British or English. I am a citizen of the world, and 99.99% of me is identical to almost all other human beings.Vicus Scurrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13731007799031343701noreply@blogger.com